Bought these pants for skiing in 2020 and returned for another pair. They are warmer than my pair for 2020. My major complaint is with the internal leg gaitor -- the elastic is waaayy too tight. Thought I was going to rip it trying to get it over my ski boot & battery pack. I remember the elastic being somewhat tight on my old pants, but the elastic and size of the gaitors on the new pants are ridiculously small. I could understand this if these pants were not for skiing, but they are called "Backslope." I have ski pants from other brands and the internal gaitor has never been an issue. I like these pants because they are warm, but if the internal gaitor rips, forget it.
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